A challenge to all MVP's.......GET A J.O.B. for once in your life

[lwti]

You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!

The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.

As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.


DEAR MICROSOFT:
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?

All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.


MESSAGE TO MVP's:
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Peter van der Goes]

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

Thank you for your insightful analysis and helpful suggestions. I'm sure
they will be read with great interest by Microsoft management and given all
the attention they deserve.

[Earl]

Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from the
MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a solution
takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm
not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a lot
poorer without their insight and advice.

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[james]

Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names. In fact he is such a coward he
cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth.

james

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Frans Bouma [C# MVP]]

Post by james
Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different
names. In fact he is such a coward he cannot even post under his own
name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth.

Not a real coward, his IP address isn't faked with a proxy, it's a
cox.net adsl line. real cowards post through anonymous proxies. Though
I've to admit, this discussion goes nowhere.

FB

[Joerg Jooss]

lwti wrote:

[...]

Feel free to post your CV.

Or is it String.Empty?

[Jeffrey Todd]

I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin
Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott
Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample code,
and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to succeed
as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or
programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how great
they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way* I
could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG.

Thank You MVPs!

-Jeff

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[eXtreme]

It sounds like you want to validate that MVP's worth with your commentary.
Let others do what they will and either be part of it or do your own thing.

If you've been looked over as an MVP keep helping... it's not the title that
counts but how you feel about yourself in the morning. :-)

Regards,

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[unknown]

wow, this guy has issues...
--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney - ASP.NET MVP

[Shameless Author Plug]
The Microsoft Office Web Components Black Book with .NET

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[W.G. Ryan eMVP]

Karl - is this you?
--
W.G. Ryan MVP (Windows Embedded)

TiBA Solutions
www.tibasolutions.com | www.devbuzz.com | www.knowdotnet.com

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Sahil Malik [MVP]]

LOL :-)

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
http://codebetter.com/blogs/sahil.malik/

Post by W.G. Ryan eMVP
Karl - is this you?
--
W.G. Ryan MVP (Windows Embedded)
TiBA Solutions
www.tibasolutions.com | www.devbuzz.com | www.knowdotnet.com

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most

incompetent

Post by lwti
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you

do

Post by lwti
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO

as

Post by lwti
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity

in

Post by lwti
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do

the

Post by lwti
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad

as

Post by lwti
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they

in

Post by lwti
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they

actually

Post by lwti
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why

pay

Post by lwti
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the

customer

Post by lwti
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till

they

Post by lwti
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning

you

Post by lwti
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,

can't

Post by lwti
get the job done right.

[W.G. Ryan eMVP]

LWTI - as a MVP - I want to make sure I help to address your concerns.

Can you please cite one example where a MVP has given you an incorrect
answer to a problem?
Can you cite just one example of theory or a reference book that has been
'proven' wrong in the real world?
Since most of the MVPs in the .NET area in particular have a tremendous
amount of real world experience, can you please indicate who it is you're
referring to that doesn't? Or what evidence you used to conclude that we
all lack real world experience?

For the Same Nickel and Dime questions - What would you propose that we do?
I typically create FAQ's on two of my web sites www.knowdotnet.com or
www.devbuzz.com as well as my blog www.msmvps.com/WilliamRyan to point
people to for the questions that seem to come up over and over again.
Should I ingore these repeat questions? Should I call people that ask them
mean names and blow them off? Why does me answering such questions hurt me,
them or anyone else? What do you propose in place of this?

Do you work on the 24 hour day? If so, I'm not sure I understand your
question. I work about 9 hours a day. In my last two jobs, my employers
have encouraged me to answer newsgroup and forum questions. Mainly, they
like to help the community at large. They don't mind giving up a little
time here and there b/c it helps to grow the community and it helps
establish each company as a place where their people have technical
expertise.
Even assuming I wasn't allowed to answer questions at work, at 9 hours a
day, and I sleep about 6, that leaves me 9 hours to do other things in life.
TYpically, I can answer most newsgroup questions in undre a minute, even if
I have to research, I can typically answer 20-30 questions a day and not
even slightly interrupt my life. Similarly, by answering questions, I get a
good feel for what others in the industry are actually doing (which provides
better insight than just reading tech maginzines which purport to know what
everyone is doing), learn what challenges people are facing (so we can
refine our services to meet those needs) and learn areas that I'm unfamiliar
with.

What would I personally need to do to be a 'real' programmer like you? I
have two books out and two more on the way, I've hosted 2 MSDN Webcasts,
spoken at multiple Code Camps, am frequently asked to speak at users group
meetings.... so I guess all those people that keep asking for me to present
must just be idiots that don't really get it. But if I want to be a 'real'
programmer like you, what should I do? Perhaps if I started anonymously
posting diatribes with a bunch of absurd claims in them, that would make me
"Real"?

As far as not having a job.. that scares me. I actually went to grad school
and have worked consistently since then. I typically claim over 6 figures
on my tax returns. So what would my tax return look like if I was 'real'?
and/or had a 'real' job?

For what it's worth, this post of your makes you appear pretty petty. It
looks to me like you're really jealous of others and don't have enough game
on your own to make yourself happy. I for one have a MVP award, which
apparently is more than you have. I say apparently b/c you may well have
tons more accomplishments than I do, but your post doesn't cite any of them
so it's impossible to tell. but typically, people as accomplished as you
get noteiriety of some sort. You have chosen, at least with this message,
to remain anonymous which, you have to realize, makes people wonder why.
Did a MVP make you look stupid at work? Did your wife see my picutre and
fall in love? Did a consulting company which employs MVPS look at your work
and conclude it was junk? What's your beef with MVPS? Please dude, provide
specifics
--
W.G. Ryan, MVP

www.tibasolutions.com | www.devbuzz.com | www.knowdotnet.com

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]]

Thanks for the advice.

[gaidar]

The only answer is possible to lwti: Hey man, just stop doing two things:
stop writing such silly posts and STOP WORKING IN 'IT' FIELD, or, even
better, STOP WORKING AT ALL, you understand nothing about WORKING and
THINKING. So, just, calm down and do the only thinkg you can really do - sit
on the couch and drink beer.

Gaidar, VB MVP

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Q: "lwti" wrote: "all you do is give BAD advice to those seeking it here..."

A: Care to site any concrete examples or are you just making oblique references?
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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"lwti" wrote:

| You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
| programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
|
| The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
| wrong in the real world
| You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
| questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
| possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
| is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
|
| As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
| it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
| they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
| with.
|
|
| DEAR MICROSOFT:
| Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
| trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
| job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
| a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
| fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
| do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
| architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
| begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
| actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
|
| All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
| JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
| companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
| extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
| wanted anyway.
|
|
| MESSAGE TO MVP's:
| WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
| knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
| time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
| know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
| have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
| groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
| get the job done right.

[C-Services Holland b.v.]

<snip>
Job isn't an abbreviation of some sorts. So why do you insist on putting
dots between the letters? Go get a life .. please..

[Bonj]

The problem is that you need to have been posting for a VERY long time to
become an MVP - like decades rather than years. Back in the day when
Microsoft was still young, and computers were only just coming in to
workplaces - the managers that were doing the hiring of programmers didn't
understand or even trust computers, so they had to demand formal, on-paper
qualifications from anyone seeking a programming job. No offence to them,
but most MVPs therefore (a) are probably at least middle-aged, and (b) have
had to fork out through the nose for formal training and qualifications.
Some therefore tend to be slightly resentful of younger people who have done
well for themselves through being self-taught, something which has grown
easier now that a lot of the people that learnt IT many moons ago are now
getting to be managers. (I reiterate - *no offence* to them - I can see how
this can be justified for the most part given the effort and money they've
had to put into their career development, but each method of learning has
its strengths.) This tends to propogate the characteristic of the MVP
program of being an 'insiders club', thus adding even further weight to the
requirement to have been 'at it since the dawn of time'.
I do make the reservation that some MVPs actively make an effort against
this effect, but this is the general trend, and evolution over the course of
history is hard to fight. While some MVPs are very good and can always be
relied upon to get you out of a rut, it's clear that the requirement they
had when they were starting out to be formally trained explains the tendency
to often just post links to blogs or to only be able to answer pub-quiz type
questions.
It's just two different sides of the coin - some people are more mature,
experienced and formally trained and qualified - others are younger, more
flexible, ambitious and innovative. It's the former group who have largely
dominated the occupation of MVPs - this isn't a problem if you accept the
effects of the notion of superiority that they have - and to be fair, can
probably justify some right to having.

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[W.G. Ryan eMVP]

Bonj - I don't know if that's true. I'm 32 and I'm one of the older folks
in my MVP peer group. There are some people older than me, but most are
younger, but a good few years. As a matter of fact, even out side of my
product group , I'm usually the 'old' guy whenever we meet. Again, there's
a lot of people in the program and sure, many are in the same demographic
you describe (at least in terms of age) but I've been an MVP for two years
now and since the onset, most of the people in my group and that I know are
at least 4 years younger than me.

It sucks too b/c I didn't think I'd feel 'old' before 35 and when I'm
hanging out at most events, I'm usually one of the oldest MVPS there
--
W.G. Ryan, MVP

www.tibasolutions.com | www.devbuzz.com | www.knowdotnet.com

Post by Bonj
The problem is that you need to have been posting for a VERY long time to
become an MVP - like decades rather than years. Back in the day when
Microsoft was still young, and computers were only just coming in to
workplaces - the managers that were doing the hiring of programmers didn't
understand or even trust computers, so they had to demand formal, on-paper
qualifications from anyone seeking a programming job. No offence to them,
but most MVPs therefore (a) are probably at least middle-aged, and (b)
have had to fork out through the nose for formal training and
qualifications. Some therefore tend to be slightly resentful of younger
people who have done well for themselves through being self-taught,
something which has grown easier now that a lot of the people that learnt
IT many moons ago are now getting to be managers. (I reiterate - *no
offence* to them - I can see how this can be justified for the most part
given the effort and money they've had to put into their career
development, but each method of learning has its strengths.) This tends to
propogate the characteristic of the MVP program of being an 'insiders
club', thus adding even further weight to the requirement to have been 'at
it since the dawn of time'.
I do make the reservation that some MVPs actively make an effort against
this effect, but this is the general trend, and evolution over the course
of history is hard to fight. While some MVPs are very good and can always
be relied upon to get you out of a rut, it's clear that the requirement
they had when they were starting out to be formally trained explains the
tendency to often just post links to blogs or to only be able to answer
pub-quiz type questions.
It's just two different sides of the coin - some people are more mature,
experienced and formally trained and qualified - others are younger, more
flexible, ambitious and innovative. It's the former group who have largely
dominated the occupation of MVPs - this isn't a problem if you accept the
effects of the notion of superiority that they have - and to be fair, can
probably justify some right to having.

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Bonj]

Post by W.G. Ryan eMVP
Bonj - I don't know if that's true. I'm 32 and I'm one of the older folks
in my MVP peer group.

Yes, that's probably largely due to your peer group being mainly *.NET* MVPs
....
Incidentally I'm curious as to why he chose to only make his rant at the
.NET groups where the problem he's banging on about is actually a lot
*better* than the unmanaged world - I'd love to have seen his rant if he'd
been given a project to do in VB6 and he didn't know it and had to try and
get some sense out of the VB6 MVPs!

Post by W.G. Ryan eMVP
There are some people older than me, but most are younger, but a good few
years. As a matter of fact, even out side of my product group , I'm
usually the 'old' guy whenever we meet. Again, there's a lot of people in
the program and sure, many are in the same demographic you describe (at
least in terms of age) but I've been an MVP for two years now and since the
onset, most of the people in my group and that I know are at least 4 years
younger than me.
It sucks too b/c I didn't think I'd feel 'old' before 35 and when I'm
hanging out at most events, I'm usually one of the oldest MVPS there
--
W.G. Ryan, MVP
www.tibasolutions.com | www.devbuzz.com | www.knowdotnet.com

Post by Bonj
The problem is that you need to have been posting for a VERY long time to
become an MVP - like decades rather than years. Back in the day when
Microsoft was still young, and computers were only just coming in to
workplaces - the managers that were doing the hiring of programmers
didn't understand or even trust computers, so they had to demand formal,
on-paper qualifications from anyone seeking a programming job. No offence
to them, but most MVPs therefore (a) are probably at least middle-aged,
and (b) have had to fork out through the nose for formal training and
qualifications. Some therefore tend to be slightly resentful of younger
people who have done well for themselves through being self-taught,
something which has grown easier now that a lot of the people that learnt
IT many moons ago are now getting to be managers. (I reiterate - *no
offence* to them - I can see how this can be justified for the most part
given the effort and money they've had to put into their career
development, but each method of learning has its strengths.) This tends
to propogate the characteristic of the MVP program of being an 'insiders
club', thus adding even further weight to the requirement to have been
'at it since the dawn of time'.
I do make the reservation that some MVPs actively make an effort against
this effect, but this is the general trend, and evolution over the course
of history is hard to fight. While some MVPs are very good and can always
be relied upon to get you out of a rut, it's clear that the requirement
they had when they were starting out to be formally trained explains the
tendency to often just post links to blogs or to only be able to answer
pub-quiz type questions.
It's just two different sides of the coin - some people are more mature,
experienced and formally trained and qualified - others are younger, more
flexible, ambitious and innovative. It's the former group who have
largely dominated the occupation of MVPs - this isn't a problem if you
accept the effects of the notion of superiority that they have - and to
be fair, can probably justify some right to having.

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[William (Bill) Vaughn]

As with many characterizations, this description of MVPs is very distorted.
See >>>
--
____________________________________
William (Bill) Vaughn
Author, Mentor, Consultant
Microsoft MVP
www.betav.com/blog/billva
www.betav.com
www.sqlreportingservices.net
Please reply only to the newsgroup so that others can benefit.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
__________________________________

Post by Bonj
The problem is that you need to have been posting for a VERY long time to
become an MVP - like decades rather than years.

Post by lwti

Peter (a new SQL Server MVP) has been posting for about two years. He's
not an exception.The program recogizes contributors quickly. New MVPs
come from recommendations--from existing MVPs and others inside and
outside MS.

Back in the day when

Post by Bonj
Microsoft was still young, and computers were only just coming in to
workplaces - the managers that were doing the hiring of programmers didn't
understand or even trust computers, so they had to demand formal, on-paper
qualifications from anyone seeking a programming job.

Post by lwti

While this is true that some managers (those that hired IT managers) were
"old-school" the IT managers themselves (in my experience) were far more
cognizant of what their staff needed as far as skill. In my case, I was a
hiring manager in several past "lives". While I recongized a college
degree as a sign of the ability to stick through a hard task and achieve
a goal, my criteria had more to do with what the potential candidate had
achieved--not what test or certification they had passed.

No offence to them,

Post by Bonj

Post by lwti

No offense taken...

but most MVPs therefore (a) are probably at least middle-aged,

Post by lwti

If you've ever been to the MVP site
(http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/MVPINTRO), and browse through the "MVP
Insider" profiles, you'll get a more accurate picture of the MVP
community. These folks are young, old and everything in-between.

and (b) have had to fork out through the nose for formal training and
qualifications.

Post by lwti

Yes, some have worked very hard on getting certified--but this is
neither a requirement for membership or an indication that the MVP is
any more experienced than other professionals.

Some therefore tend to be slightly resentful of younger people who have
done well for themselves through being self-taught, something which has
grown easier now that a lot of the people that learnt IT many moons ago
are now getting to be managers. (I reiterate - *no offence* to them - I
can see how this can be justified for the most part given the effort and
money they've had to put into their career development, but each method of
learning has its strengths.)

Post by lwti

I for one was "self-taught" when it came to the PC industry. I have
2-year, 4-year and post-graduate degrees in CS, but everything I know
about personal computer technology was self-taught. Many of the MVPs I
know are also similarly trained. Because the industry moves so fast,
many formal instituions lag behind enough years to make their classes
less than useful. Yes, the courseware out there can be expensive, but
I'm of the opinion that once you get the foundations down, you should
start writing code and solving real problems (at least for awhile). This
teaches you what you don't know. At that point go back for more focused
training. Sure, you'll often have to this in addition to your regular
job--lots of people do.

This tends to propogate the characteristic of the MVP

Post by Bonj
program of being an 'insiders club', thus adding even further weight to
the requirement to have been 'at it since the dawn of time'.

Post by lwti

I don't get this impression at all. Microsoft has recently swelled the
roles of the MVPs dramatically. Many new MVPs are new contributors with
talent, expertise and a willingness to share.

I do make the reservation that some MVPs actively make an effort against
this effect, but this is the general trend, and evolution over the course
of history is hard to fight. While some MVPs are very good and can always
be relied upon to get you out of a rut, it's clear that the requirement
they had when they were starting out to be formally trained explains the
tendency to often just post links to blogs or to only be able to answer
pub-quiz type questions.

Post by lwti

Consider that MVPs DO have "real" jobs (at least most of them). They
volunteer their time so they can't afford to become private consultants
for the questioner for a 1/2 day to work out a problem--at least not for
free. The questions they answer are (hopefully) chosen because that's
the area of the technology they are most familar with. The depth of the
answer is often a function of their available time, ready access to a
working example and other resources. We often point to whitepapers,
books (even our own), blogs and web content because all too often the
question is not new and the answer has been given and discussed many
times before.

It's just two different sides of the coin - some people are more mature,
experienced and formally trained and qualified - others are younger, more
flexible, ambitious and innovative. It's the former group who have largely
dominated the occupation of MVPs - this isn't a problem if you accept the
effects of the notion of superiority that they have - and to be fair, can
probably justify some right to having.

Post by lwti

Sure, MS is interested in recruiting MVPs with the most experience and
willingness to contribute. That's to be expected. But more "mature" MVPs
and developers are also the source of many of the innovations you're
using today. I can't count the number of innovative ideas, concepts and
techologies I and people my age were able to incorporate into MS
products and my books over the last 17 years--I joined MS when I was 40.
Just don't paint everyone with the same brush.

You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Patrice]

I would suggest :

1) Post your question
2) Read answers and disregard MVP anwsers if you want

As a side note, I would recommend also posting first under a neutral form.
There is no use to flame anyone especially if it turns out that the
"feature" you don't like is just an option you can disable.

Patrice
--

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Brian Henry]

you again? stop spamming and changeing your name, we are not stupid...

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Michael Pearson]

Something tells me someone didn't get selected as an MVP this year....

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[unknown]

yup, a hopeful candidate was spurned. that can create all kinds of problems
--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney - ASP.NET MVP

[Shameless Author Plug]
The Microsoft Office Web Components Black Book with .NET

Post by Michael Pearson
Something tells me someone didn't get selected as an MVP this year....

Post by lwti
You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

[Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD]]

I'd just like to thank lwti, whoever he is.
If it wasn't for his post I wouldn't have been flattered by the dozens of
responses praising MVPs like me.